Hey, hey.
Hi.
Hey, Natasha. Hey, Bob. How are you guys doing?
Just fine. Yourself?
So wonderful to be here with you, Bob, and I am an enormous fan and enormously grateful for what you and the Grateful Dead did to launch Farm Sanctuary, to help launch us 35 years ago. And I actually have a picture here of our VW van, selling meatless hot dogs in the parking lots of Grateful Dead shows. How does it feel to have been such a catalyst for that movement?
Well, it feels natural. I'll say that. I fell on line. You were maybe a bit before your time with that. I was a proud, practicing omnivore 35 years ago, but I was open, sort of religiously open.
What you created there with the Grateful Dead was this community.
Where all that came from, as far as I can tell, is what makes best sense. The old hippie ideal, if it feels good, do it. If it feels right is what, I think, people were really trying to get at.
If it feels right, do it, and kindness is enormously important. It was real clear to us that the kindness was going to be an important building block. We managed to make that abundantly clear to anyone who wanted to watch or listen to us.
The shows were really about that, right? About kindness, belonging, acceptance.
You can see it in real time on stage. We'd trade ideas, musical ideas, like motifs. We were kind to each other, and things happened. Things worked.
And it spawned all kinds of other beautiful things. In terms of kindness, it's important to be kind to our friends, our family, our co-workers, but also, the planet we live on and in other animals. Have you, I understand, been thinking a little bit more about that?
I reflect on that daily. Back when I was a kid, I worked on a cattle ranch. I did all that stuff to cattle, and I never did it happily. Because it hurt me to hurt them. It was painful to me.
Yeah.
And now, in order to be a top dog factory farm, you have to resort to cruelty. The problem there is that, if that kind of cruelty is OK, then, where does it stop? Is it then OK to be cruel to the planet? And that cruelty does extend to the planet. Where do you stop turning a blind eye?
Yeah, have there been many of these conversations, over the years, within the Grateful Dead community that you can recall?
There was a time back when that Jerry and I both went vegetarian for a couple of years. And after about three weeks of being vegetarian, a peace came over me, and it's subtle. But it's there. Believe me, it's there. I don't miss meat at all. It's possible to change your tastes, what you're looking for in flavors, in nutrition, and it's working for me.
It is a lot easier now. When we started with the veggie hot dogs, you know, those were processed foods, and then, here's a picture from the show in Soldier Field in 2015. And that's a veggie dog. They actually had vegan hot dogs inside Soldier Field.
Progress is being made, and it's a matter of just raising awareness. With minor bit of adjustment, you'll be happier. You feel like you're doing the right thing, and that always feels good.
Well, I'm enormously grateful for your time and everything you've shared here. You know, the Grateful Dead were a huge part of starting Farm Sanctuary. So I'm just enormously grateful for what you've done to help make that happen and for helping Farm Sanctuary be what we are today.
Thanks for taking what we had to offer and doing what you've done with it.